April 5, 2004
What you're about to read is long and somewhat hard to follow, but we felt it was most fair to post the entire letter, un-edited except for personal information. Following that is an e-mail exchange between the author and two of SAS's founding members, and another brief exchange between a supporter of the letter's author and one of SAS's founders.
An Open letter: The Second Amendment.
The latest round of Second Amendment knee-jerk reactions appears to have taken
the face of name calling and pointing fingers, digging dirt and yellow
journalism.
Those who are for the Second Amendment seem to be going ballistic over the words
of a woman on Capitol Hill who wants certain guns banned. My question is why
are there such hostile reactions to some woman who openly states she carries a
concealed weapon and she is not afraid of using, whose husband is in the
military business? She could not even get enough votes to bring her bill up for
consideration.
Sarah Brady - what happened to her husband is tragic and deplorable, and I too
would have firm stance and be rather bitter. On the other hand, the Brady's
knew that hanging around a US President is a high risk occupation - you take the
pay check and you take your chances.
We're going back into this whole AK-47 thing again. Banning certain firearms
does not mean anybody's rights are being taken away.
Palm size .22 semi automatic weapons are showing up on our school yards. The
AK-47 semi automatic can be easily converted back into combat readiness. Banning
these weapons does not mean your guns are being taken away or your rights are
being violated.
Society does have the right to say what guns will not be sold. Stop and think
this through - let us traverse back in time to when the two men, who held the
LAPD are bay for 45 minutes, walked into the gun store and legally purchased
their AK-47s - at the same time you walk in and purchase an AK-47. What is the
determining factor to ascertain malfeasance? How does the store owner know who
is the person with bad intentions or the person who has good intentions? How
does the government know? You need to keep in mind all three of you are
purchasing the same weapon legally. What then is the criterion to predict who
is going to do what with that weapon?
Ask yourself are you so willing to let the growing slaughter on our street be
enhanced through fully automatic weapons so you can own an AK-47? Why are the
rights of the innocent people killed in cross fire during gang wars subservient
to your right to purchase an AK-47 or any gun you so choose? Why are the rights
of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of happiness of the
innocents subordinate?
Last year in Minneapolis a 14 year old girl sitting at her dining room table was
killed instantly when a stray bullet slammed into her chest and shredded her
heart. The stray bullet came from a gang fight.
A 4 year old was shot and killed because the gang members believed that she was
a rival gang member.
These are not isolated incidents.
Take the palm size .22 semi-automatics with a 10 round magazine. These are
showing up in places they should not. We will not let the schools do search and
seizure, we will not let the schools install metal detectors. Some of these
guns are taken from homes. But what about the back alley gun dealer - someone
who legally buys the guns and then turns around and sells them for a profit - we
are a capitalist country and we don't infringe upon free enterprise. We can't
put the back alley gun dealer out of business because he/she purchased the guns
legally. Getting an FFL is not that difficult and I am surprised we are not
seeing counterfeit ones on the street.
Metal detectors would probably have neutralized the slaughter in Colorado before
it ever happened. Search and seizure would have prevented it from going as far
as it did.
How does the banning of a weapon easily concealed mean your rights are being
taken away?
How does the banning of a weapon easily converted to full automatic mean your
rights are being taken away?
Society does have the right to say a person will not carry a firearm on board an
airplane. Society does have a right to say you cannot bring a weapon into an
establishment. Society does have the right to say we are going to put the gun
purchaser under tighter scrutiny.
Squeeky Frome, a Manson family member, legally purchased a firearm and darn near
sent Gerald Ford to the Promised Land. John Hinckley Jr. legally purchased a
firearm and came close to killing Ronald Reagan. Viet Nam never would have
happened had Jack Kennedy lived, but a mail order gun in the hands of a member
of the well regulated militia made short order of that. Martin Luther King is
not coming back anytime soon and he was the only person to provide sane
leadership during the civil rights era. These are some of the success stories of
your efforts to defend the second amendment as it now stands.
Yes, the Second Amendment does say you have a right to own a firearm, but those
same rights extend to people who have never been committed to a psychiatric
hospital - and there ARE those people who should be confined but escape the
system. There are people who as juveniles committed horrible violent acts and
when they turn 18 their records were sealed forever. Your
rights extend to them also.
What then should be the determining factor? I've heard the argument: I am a law
abiding citizen. What does that mean? I spoke with a police officer and he
told me a person cannot even drive one mile without committing an infraction.
Go 1 mile over the speed limit and you are no longer law
abiding. Cross against the signal - same thing. Take a questionable deduction
you are no longer law abiding and the IRS reports that tax cheating is a record
levels - to the tune of 31 billion dollars. Have a single portion of your house
not up to current code you are no longer law abiding. The list is endless.
The greater portion of American truly believes it is acceptable to ignore a law
that they deem unreasonable. Psychiatrists label this as Schizoid. Schizoid is
a criminal mind set - not emotional issue. Ignore a law or a tax law you think
is unreasonable, you are no longer law abiding and you
have a criminal mind.
One group of people who are for the Second Amendment as it currently stands even
has a hate list on their web site. I spoke with an attorney and the perception
of a terrorist threat is in the eyes of the recipient. In this day in age with
the number of very violent people out there - the names you
published could influence one of these violent people to take hostile action
against the people on the list. That means you are a contributing factor and we
are seeing "I was influenced by" used effectively as a defense in the courts.
There is a story about a King who visited the prison. Convict after convict
pleaded their innocence. Finally the King came up to one man and said: I
suppose you're innocent too? The convict said: Nope. I committed the crime that
got me here. The kind told the jailers to let the man go free. When asked why,
the King replied I do not want this guilty man corrupting the rest of these
innocent souls.
Has anybody thought this through - if the Second Amendment is repealed how is it
going to be enforced? Neither the for or against have a clue. You cannot repeal
the amendment without having enforcement.
We have determine that the greater portion of America is schizoid and we do tend
to lie through our teeth so the "bring them in" is not going to work.
The buy back program failed - period.
To enforce the repeal of the Second Amendment then, we would have to shred the
Bill of Rights. This means forced entry by those acting on behalf of the
government. My question is would the against be empathetic if their door was
blown open and a swat team comes sailing in their door? Keep in mind we have
not set up a conclusive and definitive determining factor protocol about who is
a good guy and who is a bad guy.
How is all this going to be funded - who is going to pay for the enforcement?
An income tax increase on an America that is at the highest level of unemployed
since the great depression? With record numbers of people filing bankruptcy we
see what state our economy is in.
Who is going to conduct the enforcement? Our military is strained, our law
enforcement is strained and just who is going to be hired to enforce? Where is
that money going to come from? We certainly can't employ the "well regulated
militia" can we because they are not doing their job under the Amendments they
so defend?
How about the penalty phase - where is the money going to come from to finance
the penal system to house and maintain all these 'new' criminals.
We know a greater portion of Americans tend to lie through their teeth. So the
swat team blows your door down and asks you if you have firearms. How do they
know you are telling the truth? Do they assume you are being honest and take
the chance of you having illegal firearms? Or do they assume you are lying and
take hostile action? Because of the number of illegal weapons out there and
people who cannot legally have a gun but do, puts everyone under Probable
Cause. We would be back to the mentality of the Salem Witch Hunt Trials only
this time it would be: Prove you are law-abiding.
Taking this a step further, arms are big business, and employ a significant
number of people. There are daughter companies making the after market
products. Then there are the companies that produce the bullets.
Repeal the Second and you will put a serious number of people out of work. The
against can say that is the price we pay. But they are ignoring the
shareholders who will have lost their entire investments through no fault of
their own - who are going to reimburse them? How many of the people who sit in
the shadows would be very upset - we are talking about the big people who
make the millions off of firearms. What about the soft money that is fed into
the hands of the law makers? Are they going to be pleased when the tax free
dollars stop coming in?
What about the black market - repeal the Second and you will create a whole new
class of criminal enterprise. There is a very rich family out east that made
their money through bringing in illegal booze into this country during
prohibition - so we know smuggling can be done almost legally. We are losing
the war on drugs - we know that tons of cocaine comes into this country
undetected. How are we going to protect the National Guard and Reserve forces
armories against a well executed plan to steal the weapons?
Americans love loop-holes and we exploit every one of them. A very clear case is
the speed limits and the 10 mile per hour speedometer variant. The speedometers
in our cars are pretty accurate now, we know that - but we take the loop-hole
and we drive 9 miles per hour over the speed limit. Unless the repeal, the
enforcement and the penalty are written in a very specific detailed legal
language to prevent the "In My Definition of the Word" it is just not going to
work. And, we can thank a grand jury, and a former president to let the "In My
Definition of the Word" become a set precedence and it is a legal defense now.
There also seems to be the prevailing thought amongst the fors that they can use
threats to get their way. The bumper sticker: "I own a gun and I vote" is a
threat - period. The perception of the gravity of the threat is in the eye of
the recipient, legally. The people who are against are getting death threats.
The well regulated militia, and we cannot differentiate the sane well regulated
militia from the insane well regulated militia, are building the case for repeal
all on your own. The threats make you a very frighten entity that is ready to
trample on mine and a majority of American's rights
and you will resort to the use of deadly violence to get your way.
I am reminded of Germany in the 1930's - vote the way I tell you to or you will
suffer very badly.
Let us go back to the Second Amendment as it stands and bring it to the
exact words: Amendment II "A well regulated militia, being necessary to
the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms,
shall not be infringed". We can go one of two ways with the words: "A well
regulated militia". Well regulated means rules, code of conduct, rules of
engagement. It means a structured organization. Where then are the rules of
the "well regulated
militia"? Where is the structure defined? What and who compromises the well
regulated militia - this question will become more relevant further in this
discourse. The Supreme Court has said the militia means we the people that may
be true, regardless, we cannot separate well regulated from the word militia.
That is the second amendment wording. Where is the training of this militia?
Geneva set about rules of combat and engagement and is this militia
knowledgeable of the laws of warfare? Does this militia know the laws governing
the questioning and treatment of
prisoners of war?
Drive downtown during rush hour traffic and then try to tell me that we the
people are a well regulated. Fist fights break out in toy stores during
Christmas season - is that the meaning of well regulated? The military watches
their people very closely and if someone in a position of grave responsibility
shows any sign of mental weakness they are pulled and that means if they are
taking anti-depressants, medication which can cause irritability, etc. too. How
many of the 'well regulated militia" take such medications? Does the well
regulated militia have the same controls in place knowing that some of the well
regulated militia is issuing death threats against people who do not agree with
them? You don't have the controls judging by the raw numbers of mood altering
drugs that are produced and prescribed in this country and the well regulated
militia members who
are using them.
We can look at it from this side also - is there an exclusionary criterion to being a member of the well regulated militia? If there is no exclusion, then the Skin-Heads, the Neo-Nazi, the Klu Klux Klan and the American Communist Party are also members of the well regulated militia. Avowed enemies of this country are part of the well regulated militia that is supposed to protect this country. The KKK and the Nazis would love nothing better than to rebuild the gas chambers and the ovens and bring Dachau to terra firma americana.
There are certain minority groups that preach armed revolution and the genocide of every one who is white. They too are part of your well regulated militia. If you want to use well regulated militia then I think we have a problem with your agendas and goals. Guilt by association. There is no clause in the second amendment to leave out one group or another - it is a single statement. We can't use the argument that our forefathers could not have foreseen the rise of such organizations, because that would mean we would have to acknowledge our forefathers did not foresee semi-automatic weapons, American arming to the teeth and the ensuing problems we have today as a direct result of the Second.
We also have green card holders in this country who danced in the streets
just after 9/11 and openly state hostile and violent feelings towards this
country. They wish to see this country harmed. They too are part of the well
regulated militia because they can purchase and bare arms. There are people out
there who would give even Jack the Ripper night sweats and they own guns. The
mafia is also part of the well regulated militia by the definition laid forth in
the Second Amendment.
Timothy McVeigh was part of the well regulated militia. Aldrich Ames was part of
the well regulated militia.
I now want to draw your attention to:
Amendment V
"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime,
unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising
in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time
of war or public danger"
Exactly what has this 'well regulated militia' done for this country in the last
200 years? Did you stop Al Capone? Did you stop the attack on Pearl Harbor?
Did you neutralize the threat of missiles when the Soviet Union armed Cuba?
More people die on the American highways each year than the entire American body
count in Viet Nam - what have you done to protect we the people. Our freeways
are a public danger.
The drunk driver is a public danger - and I ask, how many "well regulated
militia" have driven under the influence of alcohol or gotten a DUI? Two
drinks, in one hour, containing alcohol is proven to impair ones judgment.
What did you do when a man and a boy went on that shooting spree, or the sniper
that plagued an Ohio freeway? In both instances the people who did the shooting
were also members of the well regulated militia, but, there were also causing
public danger - is that why you chose to do nothing?
If your job is to prevent the government from becoming a tyrant, then can I draw
your attention to the Constitution - there is NO provision for income tax. There
is no provision for a standing military. There is no provision for conscription
into the military. Have you taken the government to war over that?
There is no provision in the Constitution that permits speed limits on our
streets and freeways. There is no provision prohibiting noisy neighbors to
party all night. You have done nothing to fight that. But, we have laws and
I'm sure, judging by what I see on the roads, there are those people who think a
speed limit is a trampling of their rights by what they perceive as an
oppressive government.
Did you stop the riots in Watts during the 60's?
If you take the government to armed conflict defending your rights to purchase
and carry and you lose, which you will. How many of you are going to sue for
excessive use of force, wrongful death and trauma - probably 100% and you will
completely ignore the fact you started it? To prove my point, look at Randy
Weaver. He resisted arrest, he committed a crime (sawing off shotguns), he was
heavily armed and the government took action. Your militia member brought it
upon himself. Not to mention he was an avowed white separatist and if you want
to read their agenda go out and read Der Strumfront - it's in the web.
Again, my question is just exactly what have you done? You, like everyone,
demand the government stop terrorism and are quick to blame to government when
it doesn't. Yet, your demands to have a hands-off to the second amendment
facilitated and enabled 9/11.
The people who committed 9/11 legally purchased firearms, took them aboard the
planes and yet you shed tears over the incident. But, you have to understand
that under the present Second and Fifth Amendment, the terrorists were also part
of the well regulated militia - in a way, 9/11 is one of your success stories.
Your efforts have armed the street gangs and the drug dealers - they too are
part of your well regulated militia and entitled to the same protections you
are.
Thanks to you, psychotics who have eluded the mental health people can own a
firearm just like you.
You sit comfortably far away from harm's way and try to tell us you are here to
protect us.
How many militias have volunteered for independent duty on the south side of
Chicago - a place where even the fire fighters get shot at while trying to stop
a fire? Name a single mission into Hell's Kitchen in New York?
If you want to use this militia thing then let us look squarely at you. You have
done nothing to secure a free state which is the exact wording of the Second
Amendment. You have not stopped the growing violent crime rates in which other's
rights are violated. You have not stopped a single bullet from a drive by
shooting catching innocent people in the deadly cross fire and their rights to
life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness become subordinate to the right to
own.
Just what has the "well regulated militia" done except blame the government,
fight the government every step of the way and demand your rights.
Let us look at the word secure contained in the Second Amendment - in Minnesota
during hunting season traveling the highways and freeways in rural areas is
taking your life into your own hands. A deer rifle has a kill range of 1.5
miles. A while ago, a kid riding a snowmobile was thought to be a deer. What
the authorities found was the snowmobile and the kid's lower torso. What hit
him was a round the created such a hydrostatic shock wave it blew his upper
torso into shards. There was a fine red mist on the snow. What has this 'well
regulated' militia done to secure life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for
others? What have you done proactively to protect the people from public
danger? Gun safety classes aren't cutting it any more and that is the best you
can do? Very lame, people, because it is like putting a bandaide on a sucking
chest wound.
This country is a dangerous place and there are parts of it venturing out after
dark should be classified as suicidal idealization in the DSM. What has the
militia done to secure the freedom of the citizens to be able to move about
freely and without fear? Don't try bringing up fighting for the
right to keep and bare arms because the hoodlums, thanks to you, are more
heavily armed than our own police. You have helped enforce the criminals' right
to keep and bare arms - as long as they don't have a felony conviction in the
last 10 years. But I also add that the restriction is not in the
Amendments and I ask when are you going to start fighting for the rights of the
felon to purchase a firearm?
The well regulated militia has not stopped the flood of illegal aliens into this
country bringing with them criminals from their own country. Some of the law
abiding, well regulated militia people helped, for profit, the bringing of the
criminals released from Cuban prisons to this country a few
years back - direct violation of US law.
Other groups that you have helped to keep their rights to bare arms are the KKK,
the skin-heads and the Neo-Nazi movement, the American Nazi Party, and the
Communist Party. Under the Second Amendment, they too are part of this "well
regulated militia" by virtue of citizenship and the Second Amendment and all of
them are avowed enemies of the US Government and our present way of life.
With your fight for the right to keep and bare arms, you are lending assistance
in the arming of certain groups who advocate revolution, violent overthrow of
the US Government and execution of every member of the white race.
How many of the "law abiding well regulated militia" illegally carry concealed
weapons?
The Fifth Amendment clearly holds you blameless, and indemnifies you, in the
defense of our country during time of public danger. You have done nothing to
secure peace and tranquility of our cities.
Where were you when Minneapolis earned the title Murderapolis nation wide? Where
were you in the defense of the citizenry because it is we the people who are the
state? The amendments as they stand are to be taken in the full wording and
content You cannot pick and choose what parts apply. You cannot pretend to be
the defense of America, demanding your rights and then sit back and you neglect
to fulfill your self assigned responsibilities as you see mandated in the Fifth
Amendment.
Why should you have rights if you cannot bring yourselves to, and fail to,
execute your duties as specified in the Amendments?
Is your agenda and solution the complete arming of anyone living in this
country? Hitler needed Germany to be totally armed.
Are you saying that you are loyal Americans but you fight against the government
which is America? Are you loyal Americans like Aldrich Ames - Ames was a member
of this well regulated militia and did serious damage to the American
Government? Or, "patriots" like Timothy McVeigh who took 168 innocent lives in
retaliation for what he perceived as government tyranny at Waco, Texas?
I have heard the argument that Hitler took all the guns away - not really, he
took the people who owned guns and put them in the polizei which in turned was
trained by the military. Hitler was limited to the size of his military, but
nothing was said about the size of the police force. Once he
started rearming the old guns were taken away and replaced with the K-98. He
didn't take the guns away, he armed Germany. Even children, the Hitler Youth,
were trained in, and carried arms.
I've heard the argument that Lenin & Stalin took away all the guns - exactly
where did their firepower for the October revolution come from? They needed the
people with guns to effect the blood bath. The killing of the Tzar was done by
citizens who owned guns. Stalin did not take the guns away for his motto was
where there is a person, there is a problem. Where there is no person, there is
no problem. That was an over the board statement that had nothing to do with
guns.
You were not there when all this happened, I have people who were.
The Taliban and the forces of Bin Laden are citizens with guns. The SA was
citizens with guns. The Viet Cong were citizens armed with guns. Baby Face
Nelson, Machine Gun Kelley, Bonnie & Clyde, John Dillinger were citizens with
guns. The list is endless.
You have failed to help congress in enacting laws to protect us. You have not
offered a single solution to the inappropriate and alarming arming of the
American citizenry.
There are several solutions:
1.) Accept the fact that society does have the right to say what weapons will
be sold and not sold.
2.) Accept the fact that we have people in America who should not now, nor
ever, own a firearm. Help define the criteria. If you are taking mood altering
medications and/or a history of alcohol abuse you should not own a firearm.
3.) Work together to bring about tougher gun controls and tougher penalties.
a.) Continue to fight and argue until such time as congress has said we've
had enough and we're sick to death of the whole mess. Congress has proven they
are capable and willing to repeal an amendment. See: The 18th Amendment, the
Volstead Act. Or Congress puts a total ban on the sale of firearms - period.
b.) Continue to support and fight for the right to keep and bear arms of
people who would harm America, those who call for violent overthrow and
genocide, and the people who call Adolph Hitler a god. And, those people who
hide their faces behind sheets.
c.) Stop crying about 9/11, your efforts helped bring the whole thing about.
Accept the fact your efforts indirectly make you an accessory.
i.) Pull out all the stops, no registration, no background checks, no waiting
period and revert back to the days of the old west or Capone's Chicago.
ii.) Force the funeral homes to do an IPO - they are going to get very busy and
very profitable.
iii.) Every one of us who don't agree with you to unfettered access to firearms,
make arrangements with Canada and deport us.
My next question is: are there any fors who are going to send me death threats?
If so, my email address is: (deleted).
If you send a death threat, don't hide behind an anonymous letter, give me your
real name, real address and your real telephone number. If you hide who you
are, then you are a coward and I'd prefer you snaked back down the hole in the
outhouse from whence you came. If you cannot accept the consequences of your
actions then you should not be entrusted with a firearm.
I really don't want to hear this: "Well, we're fighting for your rights too"
What rights are you fighting for? I'm not interested in owning a firearm so I
could care less about the Second Amendment. Give me a list of what of my rights
are you fighting for, minus the provisions of the Second
Amendment? I seriously doubt you can produce such a list.
I've also heard that if the right to own firearms is taken away, that means the
government will take away more rights. People, first off, stay in present
moment and stop trying to use tarot card prediction scare tactics. Secondly, are
you afraid of Homeland Security - if so, then you have
something you are hiding and you should be worried. The government has every
right to do what they need to do to prevent the actions of terrorists and others
sworn to harm America.
You didn't think a thing about the wire taps that were used to convict John
Gotti. But you're afraid that the government might look into you. Again, you
don't provide a definitive and comprehensive, bullet proof, determination
protocol to sort the good from the bad. Under Probable Cause,
because the way things are now: Drug dealers, drug cartels, mafia, far right
fringe groups, criminals, etc. what do you want to government to do except start
the sorting process.
Let's suppose you and your neighbor order your copy of the Turner Diaries.
There is a 50/50 chance one of the two of you might have evil deeds on your
mind. Does the government do nothing until we have another Oklahoma City, or
should the government be alerted that two people ordered this book and take a
deeper look to make sure one of the two of you isn't planning another
attack on America? Keep in mind that McVeigh had a bronze star and he too
pleaded innocent - look at how far that got us.
I am a writer and I write articles and submit them via e-mail. Some of my
articles have caused controversy because I take a stand and defend it - without
a doubt some of my writings have been monitored. Does this bother me, no, for
if the magazine or the web site doesn't publish my musings at least I do have an
audience and somebody reads them. I can almost here the feds now - Ok, the
rabbi is at it again - what stand has he taken on this or that subject.
For the record, I am not against gun ownership. I am for tighter controls. I am
for tougher sentencing. I am for the police being unshackled to do their job. I
do not believe that a police presence in high crime areas constitutes profiling.
I am for confiscating, and enjoining, someone who tries to go through Airport
security with a firearm. The excuse: I forgot I had it in my purse or briefcase
means only one thing. If they cannot remember where their firearm is it proves
they are irresponsible and they should not be entrusted
with a firearm.
I do not own a firearm - simply because I can't see the purpose of it. The
State of New York vs. Bernard Getz proved how well the self defense angle
works. If a criminal suspects you are carrying a firearm they will be more apt
to use deadly force up front. If a criminal breaks in to your
house/apartment and they suspect you have firearms they will be more apt to
shoot first and ask questions later (See: Truman Capote's In Cold Blood).
If a criminal suspects you own firearms - you stand an excellent chance of
becoming a robbery victim.
I am against unfettered access to firearms. I am against firearms that can be
easily concealed. I resent having to be in the same establishment with someone
who is carrying a concealed weapon because I do not know their mental state - my
rights are violated.
One gun owner, part of the "well regulated militia", went so far as to suggest
that wolves should be required to get hunting licenses at a community meeting
here in Minnesota. That one defies all logic and the guy should be a prime
candidate for Prozac.
I have seen gun owners with a permit to carry argue and make an absolute ruckus
that their rights are being trampled on when they walk into an establishment
that posts: No Gun Allowed. The key words trampling on rights - the gun owners
are entering private property and they are trampling on the rights on the
establishment's owners and customers.
I watched a person of the well regulated militia come to a screaming match at
his Doctors office because they told him not to bring his gun into the building.
The office staff told him to leave and then guy went into a screaming fit
because they were denying him medical attention. This guy
proves again that the well regulated militia is ready and willing to step on
anyone and they do so with the emotional blackmail of a three year old.
I lived in rural America for several years. I got sick and tired of replacing
windows blasted out because of hunters, our property was marked NO HUNTING and I
was always shagging hunters off our land - 6 out 10 had alcohol on their breath.
Our well regulated militia in action, eh?
What made the whole matter that much worse was the fact that 50% of the vehicles
of those trespassing on my land had a decal in the window bearing three letters
on it and we're not talking IBM.
You are not who you think you are - that is self delusion and I can only pray,
and as horrible as it may sound, that you or one of your family members becomes
a victim of your success and efforts. Only then will you join hands with Sarah
Brady and call for the end of this insanity.
Following is the series of email exchanges between Rabbi "B", SAS
founder Dianne Sawyer, and SAS founder Deb Altrath. None of the text has been
edited.
Founder and President Dianne Sawyer's correspondence:
Sir or Madam,
My mother died at the age of 27 years at the hands of my father who beat her
skull in so badly with a baseball that the medical people had to scoop her
brains up out of the front yard.
She was a stunningly beautiful woman with five little children who were
passed among relatives to raise.
I can vouch for the horror of being the very victim you pray we will become.
I AM one. There was no outcry after her death to outlaw baseball bats, even
though they can become tools of death in the hands of an evil person.
I can only pray that you will NEVER become a victim because I would not wish
that your family has to go through what my family has. And I will continue
to fight for your rights, even if you don't want them -- or deserve them. If
you are ever faced with having to choose between your life or the person who
will take your life, I can only pray (and will) that you have the means to
protect yourself.
Dianne Sawyer
Second Amendment Sisters, Inc.
President and Co-Founder
www.2asisters.org
"Self defense is a basic human right™."
Ms
Sawyer,
How does a baseball bat equate with firearms? The line is not exactly
straight.
You are not fighting for my rights to buy & carry a firearm, you are
fighting for the rights of the criminals, the Skin Heads, The Neo-Nazis, and
all the other hatred groups to purchase and carry firearms.
Last year, a 14 year old girl here in Minneapolis was sitting at her dining
room table when a stray bullet from a drive-by shooting slammed into her
chest, shredded her heart and left an exit wound the size of a man's fist.
You are not fighting for her rights, you are fighting for the rights of her
killers to purchase and carry firearms. 4 years ago, a 4 year old child was
mistaken to be a rival gang member and she was shot dead - who from the
Second Amendment people shed a tear or an outcry. The only outcry I hear
from the Second Amendment people is that their rights are being removed
because there are those who want to restrict certain firearms.
JFK and Martin Luther king were victims of yours and other organizations
success stories of keeping the Second Amendment as it is written. The sucess
of unfettered access to firearms.
Your fight has led the criminal to be armed, and now that they are, you want
to be armed.
It is a shame about your mother - I will say a kaddish. My father liked to
bounce my mother around, as well as myself - I have seen enough brutality.
But, my mother picked up a high heeled shoe and whopped my dad in the
forehead - damn near killed him and a shoe is not a firearm.
But, I do not need you to fight for my right to own and carry a firearm. At
what point will there be enough violence and blood shed? At what point do
people say: this second amendment has to go? What is it going to take?
In my treaties, I also included observations of what I have seen from Second
Amendment people. Other rights seem to be subverient to yours.
You also failed to read the part about when I lived in rural Minnesota -
myself and the house I lived in had been shot at many times by deer hunters.
Some coming very close to to killing the occupants of my house (a woman and
her three children). Having said that, and having an uncle who was a police
officer killed in the line of duty because some badnick shot him at point
blank range.
I had an uncle on my mother's side - he, in a severe state of depression,
went to the store and purchased a shotgun - he came home and blew his brains
out. You don't need to tell me about splattered brain matter - I've been
there and done that.
Your fight is not for the rights of either of my uncles, your fight is to
keep American arming to it's teeth.
With that, I invite you to reread what I wrote outside of the box and
honestly look at who's rights you are fighting for? Because, you are not
fighting for rights of people who have been shot down. As a Jew I am
disheartened that your organization is also fighting for the right to
purchase and carry by the Ku Klux Klan, The Skin-Heads, Neo-Nazis and the
American Nazi Party.
Rabbi "MB"
Rabbi "B",
"How does a baseball bat equate with firearms? The line is not exactly
straight."
The line is indeed very straight. The agony of my family was no less than
the agony of yours. My mother is no less dead than the people you speak of
in your email.
Dianne Sawyer
Second Amendment Sisters, Inc.
President and Co-Founder
www.2asisters.org
"Self defense is a basic human right™."
Founder Deb Altrath's correspondence:
“I can only pray, and as horrible as it may sound, that you or one of your family members becomes a victim of your success and efforts."
It doesn’t just “sound” horrible. It is horrible.
It renders the author’s opinion insignificant.
Sincerely,
Deb Altrath
Co-Founder and Director
Second Amendment Sisters, Inc.
www.2asisters.org
Self defense is a basic human right™
I'm glad
you liked the article. But I can't understand why one would be so upset if
one of your success stories cost the life, liberty, and the pursuit of
happiness of one of your family members. After all, that is the price of
freedom and liberty under our Amendments.
"MB", rabbi
Dear Rabbi:
Any “upset” on my behalf comes from realizing that it is the desire of the author, a fellow human being, to see harm come to another so that his own point of view might be vindicated. Perhaps I’ve just misunderstood. Have I?
DA
Then if
you misunderstood, so be it. My final point was to drive home a message
- shock value. If we cannot have tighter controls then this will
escalate as it always does.
You are not fighting for my rights to buy & carry a firearm, you are
fighting for the rights of the criminals, the Skin Heads, The Neo-Nazis,
and all the other hatred groups to purchase and carry firearms.
Last year, a 14 year old girl here in Minneapolis was sitting at her
dining room table when a stray bullet from a drive-by shooting slammed
into her chest, shredded her heart and left an exit wound the size of a
man's fist. You are not fighting for her rights, you are fighting for
the rights of her killers to purchase and carry firearms. 4 years ago, a
4 year old child was mistaken to be a rival gang member and she was shot
dead - who from the Second Amendment people shed a tear or an outcry.
The only outcry I hear from the Second Amendment people is that their
rights are being removed because there are those who want to restrict
certain firearms.
JFK and Martin Luther king were victims of yours and other organizations
success stories of keeping the Second Amendment as it is written. The
success of unfettered access to firearms.
You might have missed the part about when I lived in rural Minnesota -
myself and the house I lived in had been shot at many times by deer
hunters. Some coming very close to to killing the occupants of my house
(a woman and her three children). Having said that, and having an uncle
who was a police officer killed in the line of duty because some badnick
shot him at point blank range.
I had an uncle on my mother's side - he, in a severe state of
depression, went to the gun store and purchased a shotgun - he came home
and blew his brains out.
As a Jew I am disheartened that your organization is also fighting for
the right to purchase and carry by the Ku Klux Klan, The Skin-Heads,
Neo-Nazis and the American Nazi Party.
You're not the person who gets a call and it starts with: Rabbi, this is
such and such hospital. We need you. You're not the person who sits with
a hysterical mother after her child has been pronounced dead because of
a gun shot. Nor are you the person who says the final Kaddish when the
casket is lowered into the ground. You're not the person who drives home
crying because of what has transpired.
I have a friend who owns and carries a firearm. He is taking medication
for depression. I sit here on a daily basis worried that his meds will
fail him and I will again be called upon to bury yet another person as a
direct result of unfettered access to firearms.
Two men legally purchased AK-47's, modified them back to full combat
status (which I understand is easy to do) and took a horrible toll in
life. For 45 minutes those two men with machine guns terrorized and shot
people.
Rabbi "B"
Sir:
You are not my first exposure to attempts to coerce through shock value.
I am well-acquainted with every horror story imaginable that involves a
firearm, because this is what our media chooses to focus on – as if
being shot is the worst possible fate that could befall a person. I
refer you to the mother in Texas who murdered two of her own children by
pounding their skulls with 10 lb. rocks. Perhaps I should be saying,
“Thank God they weren’t shot!”
You seem to believe that we on the “other side” live in a perpetual
state of denial, not caring about anything but our precious firearms.
Quite the contrary; we and our families and our friends have had plenty
of experiences of our own. We simply place blame where it’s deserved –
with the individual.
I know I cannot change your mind, but know also that you will not change
mine, and here is why. I will not delude myself into thinking that if I
give up my defenses I will be left alone, and I will not foolishly
believe that the absence of firearms would mean the absence of conflict,
hatred, or senseless death.
I am a firearms instructor, Rabbi, and about 50% of my students are
Jewish. It is my goal to empower them, along with all of my other
students. I can already hear them laughing at your insinuations of
racism and bigotry against me and my organization.
It is with those accusations in mind that I am copying Aaron Zelman, who
is the President of Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.
Now, in the event that your fervent prayers are answered, and some sort
of gun-related harm does come to me or one of my family members, should
I blame the gun – or you?
DA
I
wanted to thank you for sending my treaties to that Jewish group of
pro-gun. I completely overlooked them. But I do have a prepared answer
should they write.
The lady in Texas, I have not been following it because it makes me sick
to my stomach. I don't know enough about religious hysteria fueled by
psychosis to even guess whether or not it was preventable. If the woman
was under psychiatric care then we have a problem with mental health
people not working with child welfare. I was not there at the time to
even try to speculate whether this tragic event could have been
prevented.
The act was as horrid as anything can be. To kill her own children with
a rock is beyond my comprehension. My heart bleeds for those two
children and my prayers are with them. You can argue all you want that
the children are just as dead as a child killed by a firearm but I am
the wrong person to debate it with. Killing anyone is unforgiveable.
But, a rock is not is not a firearm. Rocks and baseball bats (as that
Swayer person talked about) are side issues and an attempt to distract
and avoid the real issue. The slaughter on our streets due to firearms
IS 100% preventable.
I do not know if your value system will afford you to see the
difference, either that or you cannot bring yourself to see that people
with guns can and are killing other people. Completely avoidable and
there is no reason why the rights of the innocents is subordinate to
yours.
Rabbi
So... it is the guns and the guns
alone that bother you, Rabbi, because the damage they cause is
preventable simply by removing them from the equation.
And to you the damage is preventable because you see that it is possible
- difficult yes, but possible - to remove guns from the whole of
society, including military and law enforcement.
I can't help but wonder, though, how you're going to go about the task
of purging all knowledge of, reference to, or memory of guns and all
things related to them. Because once guns (and all things related to
them) are eradicated, you certainly wouldn't want to take the chance of
repeating the ancient discovery of gunpowder, and the subsequent spate
of human creativity and experimentation.
You said, "I do not know if your value system will afford you to see the
difference, either that or you cannot bring yourself to see that people
with guns can and are killing other people."
No, my value system sees murder. The means is unimportant to me. I am
just as puzzled by your lack of ability to comprehend as you seem to be
by mine.
DA
You're reaching to
extremes. Nobody said any thing about disarming the police nor the
military. I am talking about disarming the American citizenry because of
the bloodshed and devestation that is happening on our streets today -
or at least much tighter controls on who could and should not have a
firearm.
I never once said anything about purging the knowledge of firearms, so
please don't attribute to me something that I did not say.
Murder is another subject and it is unrelated to firearms. If you want
to discuss murder, then we need to switch topics and we might find we
have simliar views on what should be done to a person who murders.
Then, we agree to disagree at least on guns.
Rabbi
Rabbi:
I will make this my final communication to you.
What I have noted throughout your writings is that you are truly lacking
in knowledge of present firearms laws, basic principles of ballistics,
human history, and current events. It does not surprise me, then, that
you possess the opinions you do. People tend to fear the unknown, and
talking about the fear in closed circles only serves to amplify it,
instead of allowing room for comparison and ultimately truth.
If you believe, Rabbi, that we can disarm the citizenry, keep law
enforcement and military fully armed, and be guaranteed of relief from
violence and harm, you are being dishonest with yourself and those who
seek you for guidance. You are either denying or ignoring the reality of
human imperfection, and this is a dangerous path to be on if you value
life and freedom. Because the guns will find a way into the hands of
those who seek to force their will upon others - whether a street gang,
or a paramilitary group, or the dedicated followers of a megalomaniacal
leader. The guns will find their way back into the citizenry because
greed, hate, envy, and desire for power exist in some human beings - law
enforcement and military personnel included - in the most extreme forms.
And at the same time, the citizenry you've seen fit to disarm will be
helpless, lest they become law-breakers.
This is not the world I would wish for anyone, and it shocks me, given
the history of the Jewish people, that you would work to again enable
such a horror.
I value life, I value freedom, and I value history. I will not be a
silent victim of dictators, or common street thugs. For when good people
do nothing, evil prevails, and humankind suffers.
I thank you for this opportunity. Be well.
Deb Altrath
Another anti-rights viewpoint...
Following is a brief email exchange between SAS founder Deb Altrath and "Sue".
Deb, you're
an absolute master at "dancin' a little side step" as the song goes from
"Best Little Whorehouse in Texas". What an excellent job you do of obscuring
the real point in favor of the point you wanted to make with the kind Rabbi.
I continue to be appalled that there are people in this world who favor
supplying the citizenry with a killing tool that wipes out human life in the
blink of an eye ... LOTS and LOTS of human life. No one is saying now or
ever will say that gun control will be easily achieved, but some of us feel
it NEEDS to be achieved, whether one step at a time, one law at a time or
one person at a time. Wake up!!
Dear Sue:
The Rabbi, and you obviously, think the problem is the guns and guns alone.
The absence of guns will not mean the absence of crime or hatred.
You don’t care about violence or the reasons for it. You care only of it was
perpetrated with a gun. You would tell parents who had lost a child to
cancer, or auto accident, or drowning, or stabbing, or beating, or
strangulation, “Stop crying, at least she wasn’t shot!”
And then you would take away their most effective means of defending their
children, and themselves, against the scum of the earth, who will laugh at
any laws you might pass.
How dare you.
When the day comes that you realize that guns do not have minds, hearts or
intent - then, perhaps, we can talk.
Otherwise, I’m no longer interested in arguing with uninformed hysterics.
Sincerely,
Deb Altrath
Co-Founder and Director,
Second Amendment Sisters, Inc.
Dear Deb -
... the dance continues ...
The Rabbi and I are laughing, especially hard when you attempt to tell us
what we think or what we care about. To coin a very original phrase, "How
dare you".
And all this time I was absolutely convinced that guns had minds, hearts and
intents. How could I have been so naive? But how very clever of you to show
me the error of my ways and now that you have, I'm totally in agreement with
everything you say - about guns, about me, and about the Rabbi. When pigs
fly, that is.
C'mon Deb, get a clue. Until you do, I am no longer interested in arguing
with radical gun-huggers. But I surely don't want to get you too riled up
since you are no doubt armed and especially dangerous.
Dear Sue (and Rabbi):
The Rabbi’s words are there, plain as day, for everyone to read. He made it
quite clear what it is he cares about; you have written in his defense, and
have agreed with him.
Please extend my regards to the Rabbi, Sue, and be well yourself. I won’t be
praying this holiday weekend for harm to come to anyone.
DA